Brian Holt talks with us about building developer tools and developer experience, convention over configuration, what the hardest part is to get right, and how to know what users really want?

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const podcast = { 
  episode: 196,
  title: 'Developer Experience and Tools',
  topics: [ 
    'dx', 'tooling', 'developers'
  guest: 'Brian Holt'
  hosts: [
    'Dan Wahlin', 'John Papa'

Recording date: 7/14/2022

John Papa @John_Papa

Ward Bell @WardBell

Dan Wahlin @DanWahlin

Craig Shoemaker @craigshoemaker

Brian Holt @Holtbt

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  • 00:59 Guest introduction
  • 02:11 What is it about developer tools that you enjoy?
  • 05:19 What problems are you seeing day to day at Stripe?
  • 08:24 Sponsor: Ag Grid
  • 09:31 How much of developer tooling do you connect with?
  • 12:44 Convention over configuration?
  • 14:35 What's the hardest part to get right?
  • 18:40 How do you know what users really want?
  • 22:35 Sponsor: IdeaBlade
  • 23:28 What's been your journey to PM role?
  • 32:03 In what ways did being an engineer help you as a PM?
  • 37:31 Final thoughts

Podcast editing on this episode done by Chris Enns of Lemon Productions.