Chris Ferdinandi joins us to talk about the benefits and drawbacks of using JavaScript in your projects. Why can JavaScript frameworks be bad for developers? How do you minimize your dependance on JavaScript? And what about accessibility?

Direct link to the episode.

const podcast = { 
  episode: 238,
  title: 'Rise and Fall of JavaScript Libraries',
  topics: [ 
    'JavaScript', 'frameworks', 'accessibility'
  guest: 'Chris Ferdinandi'
  hosts: [
    'Craign Shoemaker', 'Ward Bell'

Recording date: 6/1/2023

John Papa @John_Papa

Ward Bell @WardBell

Dan Wahlin @DanWahlin

Craig Shoemaker @craigshoemaker

Chris Ferdinandi @ChrisFerdinandi

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  • 00:29 Welcome
  • 00:47 Introducing Chris Ferdinandi
  • 03:30 Why are JavaScript frameworks bad for developers?
  • 07:04 Sponsor: Ag Grid
  • 08:12 If you take JavaScript out, aren't you limiting apps?
  • 22:01 Sponsor: IdeaBlade
  • 23:01 How do you minimize your use of JavaScript?
  • 28:38 Accessibility and frameworks
  • 44:18 Final thoughts

Podcast editing on this episode done by Chris Enns of Lemon Productions.